1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:11,880 Throughout history there have been inexplicable phenomena. 2 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:21,040 Paranormal experiences, mythical creatures, events that defy logic. 3 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:26,920 Now SciFi Channel has assembled a team of investigators, four individuals with different 4 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:34,560 expertise and very different perspectives. 5 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:43,160 Together they will search for the truth behind mysteries old and new. 6 00:00:43,160 --> 00:00:50,040 Archaeologist Bill Doleman. 7 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:54,920 Crime scene investigator Deborah DeBritney. 8 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:59,560 Paranormal investigator Rich Dolan. 9 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:01,600 I think that there is secret technology. 10 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:06,360 Skeptic Rob Mariano. 11 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:07,960 Kids finding errors already. 12 00:01:07,960 --> 00:01:11,040 And guest investigator Lisa Van Cam. 13 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:20,800 The team behind SciFi Investigates. 14 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:26,720 Tonight the team investigates paranormal hotspots, places where bizarre or supernatural 15 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:30,280 things are reported with startling frequency. 16 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:35,600 For decades the strange phenomenon at these locations have defied human understanding. 17 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:41,880 Now to unravel the mystery SciFi Investigates heads first to Sedona, Arizona known for its 18 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:46,160 natural beauty and mysterious energy vortexes. 19 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:51,880 It's like a rush of electricity or energy shazam right through your body. 20 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,160 I've never seen anything like that. 21 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:58,120 Also known for stunning accounts of UFOs and alien encounters. 22 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:02,000 I saw a saucer and it was kind of colored. 23 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:06,080 There were beings coming through that could see us but we couldn't see them. 24 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:12,720 Could this mystifying hotspot be a portal to another world? 25 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:17,600 Using sophisticated scientific instruments, the team goes in search of the truth with 26 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:19,080 astonishing results. 27 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:25,280 Wow, there's actually something here that we can understand in terms of normal science. 28 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:32,360 Then Dulce, New Mexico, a speck of a town on the map but a giant in the paranormal world. 29 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,360 There's so much legend with this town. 30 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:40,680 Shocking reports of cattle mutilations here have baffled authorities for three decades. 31 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,400 They were using the aircraft killing the cattle. 32 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:47,440 Many believe they are evidence of dark forces hiding within the town. 33 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:51,680 You think that there are a large number of residents who believe that there is an alien 34 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:53,320 slash human base? 35 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:54,520 I think they do. 36 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:59,560 With a rare look at first hand evidence from the cattle mutilation investigation and an 37 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:03,360 unprecedented search for a top secret underground base. 38 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:07,160 The peak of this mountain is pretty damn high. 39 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,040 The team puts hotspots to the test. 40 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:14,040 Tonight on Sci-Fi Investigates. 41 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:24,560 For this investigation our first stop is Sedona, Arizona where we'll be looking into reports 42 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,440 of energy vortices and UFOs. 43 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:32,000 Since Debbie wasn't able to make this trip, Lisa Van Kemp, the forensic technician that 44 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:36,320 worked with us in Roswell, is going to help us out in the second part of the hotspots 45 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,080 investigation in Dulce, New Mexico. 46 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:46,720 So here we are in Sedona, Arizona in the middle of the desert and we're investigating hotspots. 47 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:48,920 A hotspot actually means a couple of things. 48 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,640 In Sedona they have a long history of UFO sightings. 49 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:53,720 This is a UFO hotspot where we are. 50 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:58,040 The other thing about this area is that many people talk about unusual energy that they 51 00:03:58,040 --> 00:03:59,040 feel here. 52 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:01,360 They call them vortexes of vortices. 53 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:05,520 Many people say they feel unusual energy affecting them. 54 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:07,920 So I think we want to check that out. 55 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:12,320 My name is Richard Dolan and I'm a researcher and author on the topic of UFOs. 56 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:16,120 So I think I'm well suited to be the team leader on this investigation. 57 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:20,960 I've studied Arizona's history of UFO sightings, including the famous Phoenix Lights event 58 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:26,800 in 1997 when thousands of people witnessed a string of orbs in the night sky. 59 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:32,520 But Sedona in particular has a reputation as a real hotbed of strange activity and I'm 60 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,560 excited to investigate it first hand. 61 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:39,080 We've got a two-part plan here and one of it is to talk to people who've experienced 62 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,680 this stuff and to see if we experience it ourselves. 63 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:46,680 The other thing is bringing some scientific instruments to see if we can measure the phenomenon 64 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,560 people claim that they experienced. 65 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:52,760 I'm Bill Dolan, a scientist and an archeologist with the state of New Mexico. 66 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:58,440 Sedona's hot spots include energy vortexes and UFO sightings and possibly other strange 67 00:04:58,440 --> 00:04:59,440 things. 68 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:04,640 We're bringing in a geophysicist by the name of Dr. Dave Hindman and he's got an awful 69 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:09,880 lot of experience measuring the kinds of physical phenomena that might well be responsible 70 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:11,880 for the experiences that people say they have. 71 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,960 Alright, I tell you what, we'll leave the technical stuff to you. 72 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,920 Rich and I will go talk to some people and what do you say we meet up later on? 73 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:18,920 I think so. 74 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:19,920 Yeah. 75 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:20,920 Sound good? 76 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:21,920 That sounds great. 77 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:28,680 I'm Rob Mariano and I'm the skeptic. 78 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:32,440 What have I gotten myself into now? 79 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:36,480 Sedona is known as a place where a large percentage of people see UFOs. 80 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:41,000 So while Bill went to meet with Dr. Hindman, Rob and I went into town to talk to the locals 81 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,320 and really to see if Sedona lived up to its reputation. 82 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,360 I thought it was actually great that Rob and I did these things together because we're 83 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,440 really coming at this from such a totally different point of view. 84 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:54,840 I noticed that you have an information booth there. 85 00:05:54,840 --> 00:05:55,840 Correct. 86 00:05:55,840 --> 00:05:56,840 We're trying to get a little info. 87 00:05:56,840 --> 00:05:58,440 You're in the right place. 88 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:00,400 Have you ever seen a UFO in this area? 89 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,320 I have, as a matter of fact, twice. 90 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:12,240 It was a silver sort of a craft and it just flashed right over to my left up in the sky 91 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,400 and then completely disappeared. 92 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:15,400 It was very brief. 93 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:16,400 It was super fast. 94 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:18,440 You feel you got a clear view of it? 95 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:19,440 Definitely. 96 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:20,440 Wow. 97 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:24,920 It was like a ball of light just kind of not really exploding but just flaring out. 98 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:31,080 It must have been a hundred feet in diameter with a solid light around it. 99 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:34,640 It turns out that the town more than lived up to its reputation. 100 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:40,720 I'd say nearly 80% of the people we randomly approached had seen something strange or unexplainable 101 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,640 and I think it freaked Rob out. 102 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:50,360 He had a very similar type of experience and you know, you can't really explain that. 103 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:56,880 I saw a saucer and it was kind of colored and that was very cool and I went, oh, no 104 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,360 that's not an airplane and I ran back inside. 105 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:01,360 I was scared to death. 106 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:02,360 Sounded familiar. 107 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:03,360 Oh yeah. 108 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:04,360 Yeah. 109 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:05,360 Yeah. 110 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:06,360 But I mean. 111 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:07,360 So he doesn't believe anything? 112 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:08,360 It's not that I don't believe anything. 113 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:09,360 He doesn't. 114 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:17,640 Probably the rich is predisposed to believe anything and anyone about UFOs or aliens or 115 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:24,680 whatnot and in return I think he feels that I'm skeptical about everything which in fact 116 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,760 probably is pretty accurate. 117 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,840 So of course it's going to cause some tension. 118 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:32,080 Are you trash talking again? 119 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:33,080 I'm just saying. 120 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:34,400 I'm just calling it like it is rich. 121 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,560 You know, like we talked to a lot of people and a lot of people have seen stuff and there's 122 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:44,240 a lot of stories but I mean there's still very little physical evidence. 123 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,360 Where she's also lassoed UFO down? 124 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:47,360 Show you? 125 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:48,360 What do you want? 126 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:49,360 I mean come on. 127 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:50,360 Everybody sees them. 128 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:51,360 Well, let's go look at something. 129 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:52,360 Okay. 130 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:53,360 No, no, let's go see something. 131 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:59,280 When the portal opens up and I get beamed up into it then I'll be a believer. 132 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,600 My gut feeling listening to these witnesses as they're telling the truth. 133 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:04,560 Will Rob actually change his opinion? 134 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,480 I don't know. 135 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:10,520 While Rob and I were talking with the locals, Bill met up with Dr. Dave Heineman who's going 136 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:15,480 to help us examine the energy vortexes with some sophisticated equipment. 137 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:19,480 Many people say the vortexes make them feel unusual or different somehow. 138 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:24,160 But some people believe the vortexes are connections to other dimensions and are associated with 139 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:29,480 the large number of UFO sightings in the area. 140 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:34,520 You've brought some scientific equipment here to help us see if we can detect the energy 141 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:38,120 vortexes that are supposed to be around to sit down. 142 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:39,120 Is that correct? 143 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:40,120 Yes, indeed. 144 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:49,040 I brought one method to map the electric field, one to map the magnetic field, and then do 145 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,480 some seismic noise monitoring. 146 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:56,200 So you're saying that the currents and the frequency in the Earth could actually create 147 00:08:56,200 --> 00:09:02,040 an electromagnetic phenomenon that people could feel because they have their own electromagnetic 148 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,040 phenomenon going on inside them. 149 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:05,040 Yes, indeed. 150 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:10,080 And then we can go and use our heads and our bodies as instruments, and you're going to 151 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:14,200 go use your scientific instruments to try and detect the same thing and see if there's 152 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,040 maybe some basis for this story about energy vortexes. 153 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:18,800 That's the hope. 154 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:23,240 While Dr. Heineman went to set up his equipment at the vortexes, we wanted to dig deeper into 155 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,560 the UFO phenomenon here. 156 00:09:25,560 --> 00:09:30,000 Rob and I got a lot of anecdotal evidence about sightings, but we wanted to find some 157 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:31,840 actual evidence to back it up. 158 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:37,640 We're going to be meeting with the UFO researcher and photographer Tom Dono. 159 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:39,440 He has some pictures, doesn't he? 160 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:40,680 We need to go find out. 161 00:09:40,680 --> 00:09:47,040 We're going to visit Tom Dono, who's a longtime researcher into UFOs here in Sedona. 162 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:50,040 He's got a large collection of photographs. 163 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:54,240 We're going to be very interested in taking a look at those. 164 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:55,240 Coming up. 165 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:58,280 These are some of my best that were taken here in Sedona. 166 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,920 Dramatic photographic evidence of UFOs. 167 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,520 I have to say, I've never seen anything like that. 168 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:06,480 And reports of aliens in Sedona. 169 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:10,320 It's the first authentic photograph of a male alien. 170 00:10:23,680 --> 00:10:24,680 Are you Tom? 171 00:10:24,680 --> 00:10:25,680 Yeah. 172 00:10:25,680 --> 00:10:26,680 Tom, Rich Dolan. 173 00:10:26,680 --> 00:10:27,680 Hey, nice to meet you, Rich. 174 00:10:27,680 --> 00:10:29,680 Bill Robin, I went to visit Tom Dono. 175 00:10:29,680 --> 00:10:30,680 Rob Mariano. 176 00:10:30,680 --> 00:10:32,440 Good to meet you, Tom. 177 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:37,800 Tom is a Sedona resident, UFO researcher, writer. 178 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:42,680 And for about 20 years, he's been photographing some very unusual things right here in this 179 00:10:42,680 --> 00:10:43,680 area. 180 00:10:43,680 --> 00:10:44,680 Come in. 181 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:52,200 These are some of my best that were taken here in Sedona. 182 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,880 And I'll start with this one right here. 183 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:58,280 Some of the photographs that he had were definitely weird looking. 184 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,720 UFO flew right over our house one night. 185 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:03,440 It literally flew right over the roof. 186 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:08,840 The first thing that you have to ask yourself when you see something that bizarre is, has 187 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:10,480 this been hoaxed in any way? 188 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:15,440 And this one was taken pretty much in the same general area. 189 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:19,040 And this is one of the most phenomenal photographs I have. 190 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:24,880 This light came up behind Castle Rock and continued on up and then disappeared. 191 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:26,800 And people would say, well, that must be the moon. 192 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:27,800 Well, it isn't. 193 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:29,320 There's the moon over here. 194 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:32,480 I have to say, I've never seen a human like that. 195 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:36,160 In talking with Tom, I have to say, I don't get a sense that he was making these things 196 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:37,160 up. 197 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:38,280 I realize that's never enough to go on. 198 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:42,160 So then you have to ask yourself, if you're not going to explain that by a hoax, how do 199 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:43,160 you explain it? 200 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:49,040 Well, you could explain it maybe to me and I don't know, but maybe some type of a plane 201 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,880 taken off with a landing gear facing down. 202 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,600 Actually, you have to rule it out because the object went straight up. 203 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:55,600 But what if it were a helicopter? 204 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:57,320 A helicopter can go straight up. 205 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,200 You don't need a landing strip for it. 206 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:00,200 There was no noise. 207 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:01,200 No, she didn't. 208 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:06,120 Tom Dango is a very sincere individual and he's very convinced of what he was seeing. 209 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:09,400 And this is one of my pride and joy photographs here. 210 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,120 This object of whatever it is is about six feet off the ground. 211 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:15,120 And I have since seen similar photographs to this. 212 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,480 They've been taken around the world. 213 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:18,840 That's an amazing photograph. 214 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:23,280 You know, I didn't feel like he tried to push the evidence on us or bend us to his will 215 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:25,880 and believe in these things. 216 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,240 He's not so easy to dismiss. 217 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:32,000 I mean, unless you're just bent on dismissing anything that doesn't fit into your little 218 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:33,520 box of reality there. 219 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,640 Tom's information breaks that reality box. 220 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:38,800 No question about it for many, many people. 221 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:39,800 They're just pictures. 222 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:40,800 They're not evidence. 223 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:46,120 And I asked him straight out, you know, how can we prove that these are not hoaxes? 224 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:49,200 And he quite honestly said that we can't. 225 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,480 I appreciate it as honesty. 226 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:53,440 This was taken on the Bradshaw Ranch. 227 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:54,440 Where is the Bradshaw Ranch? 228 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:55,640 About 10 miles from here. 229 00:12:55,640 --> 00:13:02,240 Some of the world's most incredible UFO and paranormal activity happened on the Bradshaw 230 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:03,240 Ranch. 231 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:07,600 Linda Bradshaw and I were standing side by side and she took some photographs. 232 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,560 And the next day this appeared on her print. 233 00:13:10,560 --> 00:13:13,200 There was no one in front of her, but this showed up. 234 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:19,440 And in my opinion, it's the first authentic photograph of a male alien or a male interdimensional. 235 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:21,760 There was nobody there when she took that picture. 236 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:25,640 So now here we have the ears completely different than most human. 237 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:26,640 There's no hole. 238 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,640 And there's blue hair or blue black hair. 239 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:34,840 Well, if it's an interdimensional being, I mean, what do you, how do you understand 240 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:35,840 such a concept? 241 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:41,600 There's some sort of an interdimensional portal or thinness between dimensions. 242 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:45,800 And it could be that there were beings coming through like this guy that could see us, but 243 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:47,720 we couldn't see them, but the camera caught him. 244 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:52,920 So you're saying that there's aliens that are walking among us right now, walking around 245 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:54,800 and we just can't, we don't know it? 246 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:55,800 Yeah, we don't see them. 247 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:57,520 There's definitely a believer. 248 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:00,880 He feels that there are aliens walking around among us. 249 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:04,480 Do you think that some of these pictures that you've taken and the experiences that you 250 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:09,120 had kind of go along with the whole vortex, is there a connection there? 251 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:10,440 Yeah, probably. 252 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:16,080 I had first hand opportunity to watch how vortexes affected people. 253 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,200 They often dramatically affect people. 254 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:19,440 And what are the vortexes? 255 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:20,440 I don't know. 256 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,120 It's probably magnetic energy mixed with something unexplainable. 257 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:29,840 So the vortexes are probably in some way connected to UFOs and some of this extreme 258 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,280 ultra paranormal stuff that happens around here. 259 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,000 Well, seeing is believing. 260 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:35,120 These pictures are great. 261 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,240 I want to see some of this stuff for myself. 262 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:44,080 Coming up, the team tests Sedona's energy vortexes first hand. 263 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:47,320 And later, cattle mutilations in Dulce. 264 00:14:47,320 --> 00:15:07,480 Are they linked to reports of a secret alien base? 265 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:13,600 After examining Tom Dongo's pictures, we wanted to investigate Sedona's energy vortexes. 266 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:17,800 Some thinks the vortexes are interdimensional in nature and connected to the paranormal 267 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:19,320 events reported here. 268 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:20,800 Good afternoon. 269 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,280 Pete, good to meet you. 270 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:30,360 We met Pete Sanders, who is a local vortex guide and also an expert in them. 271 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:31,360 He has written books. 272 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:32,360 He has a foundation. 273 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:34,800 He's a graduate of MIT. 274 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:38,080 And he seems to have a fairly extensive knowledge of physics. 275 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:39,080 Hello, Pete. 276 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:40,080 He's a meditation expert. 277 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:45,960 He's going to take us up to the vortex to see if there was any energy up there. 278 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:50,640 We're going to go to Airport Mesa Vortex and we're going to teach you the science of 279 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:52,440 how to tap the soul. 280 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:57,640 What the latest in physics says about how you can use vortexes to tap into the beyond 281 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:02,640 dimensions that we all exist in. 282 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:13,040 All right, we're here at a site. 283 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:18,920 We went up there to see if we could really experience it and see if there was any electrical 284 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,480 energy there, something that was different. 285 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:25,440 Now, people always say, what is a vortex? 286 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:31,760 Vortex is an enhanced energy site that makes it easier to do meditation, prayer, or mind 287 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:32,760 body healing. 288 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:40,760 What goes on at vortex sites are energy flows in those deeper dimensions that the soul can 289 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:41,760 soar on. 290 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:43,240 I have a question for you. 291 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:47,120 I'm just wondering, who says where the vortex is at? 292 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,200 Is there an authority? 293 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:53,960 Mostly it's from years and decades of people voting with their feet. 294 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:58,960 Before the term vortex was coined, when I first came here in the 60s, it was, you got 295 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:03,200 to go experience bell rock, get to airport mesa, get to cathedral rock. 296 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:04,960 Oh, come on, does it really work? 297 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:05,960 It does. 298 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:10,800 And the technique I'm going to show you for how to shift up through the body to the soul 299 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:16,320 as a minimum, you're going to feel the stress reduction effect. 300 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:28,440 Okay, guys, I recommend for this, you have your own bubble of space, three or five feet 301 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:29,440 around you. 302 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:30,440 So just spread out a little bit. 303 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:36,200 What he did was to guide us through a particular kind of meditation that was designed to open 304 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:39,200 us up to higher energies and other dimensionalities. 305 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:44,360 Take a deep breath, blow it out, relax and close your eyes. 306 00:17:44,360 --> 00:17:49,200 As you close your eyes, just start to be more aware of your own bubble of space. 307 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:53,840 Just focus on your own inner environment. 308 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:58,920 Just release and ride the breeze. 309 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:07,560 Just go soul soaring on the up flow and see how far you can stretch. 310 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:12,520 And when you feel comfortable, go ahead and gently open your eyes. 311 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:17,640 Now before you move too much, how do you feel compared to when you start in your chest, in 312 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,960 your blood pressure? 313 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:22,400 I feel a little more low key. 314 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:23,400 I'll say that. 315 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:25,640 You get it? 316 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:27,640 You feel the vorticee? 317 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:33,120 I'd have to say no, but I got it in terms of a meditative feeling. 318 00:18:33,120 --> 00:18:34,120 I get it too. 319 00:18:34,120 --> 00:18:39,600 I mean, I feel like relaxed, more relaxed, but I mean what I'm saying is I don't feel 320 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:46,040 that it's any different than if I were meditating in my backyard, looking at the ocean. 321 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:49,320 In a vortex site, you can shift more easily. 322 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:51,920 That's what's special about being in a vortex to meditate. 323 00:18:52,120 --> 00:18:54,800 I didn't feel like tingling or like anything weird. 324 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:56,080 I felt peaceful. 325 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,840 What's tough is you can't quantify it. 326 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:03,520 Who's to say that, you know, my backyard pool isn't my vorticee? 327 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:07,280 Because I feel comfortable and I feel good and I feel relaxed when I'm there, and that's 328 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,400 serenity for me. 329 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:14,160 While we were using meditation to try to tap into the energy at the vortex, Dr. Heineman 330 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:18,160 used his equipment to see if he could measure the energy scientifically. 331 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:23,800 He had a seismic recording system to detect airwave motions on the ground, a magnetometer 332 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:29,280 which detects any distortion in the magnetic field, and a self-potential meter that detects 333 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:30,280 electric current. 334 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:37,680 Okay, we need to run that clip up there and that clip to here. 335 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:39,760 We got odd measurements. 336 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:46,640 We recognized what appears to be a small anomaly in the electric flow in the near surface 337 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:48,640 of the earth. 338 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:53,200 We need to take more measurements here before we really know what we have. 339 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,960 When Dave told me that he had found an anomalous reading or a reading, well, I thought that 340 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,240 was pretty interesting. 341 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:03,800 We were intrigued by Dr. Heineman's unexpected findings, so we decided to examine another 342 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:05,480 vortex. 343 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:09,240 And this time, we're going to use a Native American shaman to help us connect with the 344 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,400 earth's energy. 345 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:19,400 A shaman takes the team in search of other dimensions. 346 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:25,880 Plus, startling results from the scientific test of the vortex. 347 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:31,400 And later, the teams daring search for a mysterious base hidden in a mountain. 348 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:52,400 After we left airport maze, so we drove to Cathedral Rock, where we met with Uqwala, 349 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:53,400 a Native American shaman. 350 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:54,400 Uqwala, nice to meet you. 351 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:55,400 That's my pleasure. 352 00:20:55,400 --> 00:21:01,080 As a team, we didn't feel any unusual energy at the first vortex we visited in Sedona. 353 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:04,040 So we decided to try again at another vortex. 354 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:07,800 An energy vortex is a modern-day word for what Native Americans would call a sacred 355 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:12,800 place, where energy flows in and out of the earth in a more powerful way than other places. 356 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:13,800 How are you? 357 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:14,800 I'm Rob. 358 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:16,800 Rob, good to meet you. 359 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:21,800 Today, they know it as Sedona, but in our Native ways, we know it as Uqwala. 360 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:27,720 We simply just met where the red rocks bubble up from the ground. 361 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:35,320 Part of the ritual of ceremony is to get a sense of what is the energetics, the spirits 362 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,080 that are surrounding. 363 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,440 Part of this is for you to actually put some effort forth. 364 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,840 For that reason, drums are brought. 365 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,080 So we had to carry drums up the hill. 366 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:50,080 All right, sir. 367 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:51,080 Almost. 368 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,080 Hang in there. 369 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,080 Hang in there. 370 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:56,080 Exercise. 371 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:57,760 Gentlemen, we have made it. 372 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:04,120 If I could have you sit in a semicircle. 373 00:22:04,120 --> 00:22:13,120 He took us through a ceremony that was designed to help us connect with the Mother Earth. 374 00:22:13,120 --> 00:22:20,800 The lip of this bandana is actually going over your nose just so that you can inhale 375 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:25,720 the medicine fragrance of the sage. 376 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:30,120 What he did was open us up to higher energies and other dimensionalities. 377 00:22:30,120 --> 00:22:37,040 We often wonder, what have I gotten myself into? 378 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:43,160 What it was about for me was you leave the everyday world and you go into a magical place. 379 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,600 That's really what he was creating here for us. 380 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,320 It's easy to see why this works. 381 00:23:00,120 --> 00:23:03,360 That was good. 382 00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:06,160 You did beautiful. 383 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:11,520 The drumming, the blindfold, the sage, it was all designed to help our bodies tap into 384 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:16,800 the natural energy of the earth that is believed to flow in and out of these vortex sites. 385 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:22,960 For some, that energy helps people achieve enlightenment or to have a spiritual experience. 386 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:30,040 Others believe the energy helps them connect to different dimensions. 387 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:35,760 We kind of ended the ceremony by each of us taking some dried sage and then essentially 388 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:39,400 making a wish or expressing a desire. 389 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:43,560 You've earned the right to be able to say, this is what I want in my journey. 390 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:50,160 But as you do so, take of the sage, hold it up, ask for something. 391 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:54,560 Once you do that, sprinkle it back out onto the land. 392 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:58,360 Go your way. 393 00:23:58,360 --> 00:24:07,560 Go your way. 394 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,240 My heart caught my throat. 395 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,560 I became very emotional. 396 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,160 I just don't want this moment to stop. 397 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:22,360 I don't know if I've ever been quite so deeply touched by beauty. 398 00:24:22,360 --> 00:24:23,360 Wow. 399 00:24:23,360 --> 00:24:35,480 You know, it'd be entirely fair to call my experience there a spiritual, it was clearly 400 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,720 emotional. 401 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,400 What he did was help guide me to focus my thoughts. 402 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,040 I don't think there's any magical energy out here. 403 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:49,560 I think the magic is inside the machinery of my brain and my body. 404 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,720 What I'm trying to do is try to experience. 405 00:24:52,720 --> 00:25:00,800 I've had a spiritual experience, one that I feel will be lasting. 406 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:08,320 Being here in Sedona, in this place, at Cathedral Rock, Vortex, I think certainly was an important 407 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:12,000 part of it. 408 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,000 We welcome you back. 409 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:18,400 I almost got beamed up there. 410 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:23,440 I can guarantee you the one thing that I'm going to take away from today's ceremonies 411 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:30,280 are more arguments with rich as far as the validity of this thing. 412 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,960 What I find interesting is Sedona's energy vortexes are supposed to help people have 413 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:39,960 a spiritual or other type of mind-body experience, and both Bill and I had such an experience 414 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,600 at one of the vortexes. 415 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:47,000 Bill doesn't think the vortex had anything to do with it, but I'm not so sure. 416 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:55,240 I'm anxious to find out if Dr. Heimann's instruments can tell us more. 417 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:59,480 While we were checking out the vortexes ourselves, Dr. Heimann continued to test renomalies with 418 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:03,560 his instruments and to take really precise measurements. 419 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:07,480 Dave Heimann is the real thing when it comes to being a scientist and a geophysicist. 420 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,320 He has a degree in it. 421 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,120 He makes his living at it. 422 00:26:11,120 --> 00:26:12,680 I absolutely trust his results. 423 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,400 I know that he's completely unbiased. 424 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:25,720 From the base electrode through the 220 azimuth, we point straight to the top of that little 425 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:31,040 mesa over there where the guide said there was an energy vortex. 426 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:38,160 We do have something which indicates a flow of electricity in the near surface. 427 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:42,920 So Dave, can you review for us what you found yesterday and today? 428 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:47,000 The electric potential measurements did reveal something. 429 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:52,640 He actually found an electrical anomaly at Airport Mesa site where we were yesterday. 430 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:57,360 And it was pointing directly to the top of the part where we meditated. 431 00:26:57,360 --> 00:27:03,600 We saw two to three times background in the strength of the electrical current or the 432 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:08,120 electrical potential to be technically correct pointing right to the place where you had 433 00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:10,840 your meditation session yesterday. 434 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:16,000 I'm building confidence that there is a flow of electricity there. 435 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,000 That's really pretty cool. 436 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,440 It's interesting on several levels. 437 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,800 I mean A, why is the anomaly there? 438 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,800 And B, would this account for what people often say they feel when they come up to that 439 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:26,800 place? 440 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,760 If you have an electric field there, could it be interacting with the electrical field 441 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,960 of the human body, the nervous system which is based on electric impulses? 442 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:43,520 We're talking earth currents that are approximately the same magnitude as the currents in the human 443 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:44,520 body. 444 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:48,800 We're least establishing that there are electric fields that are the same magnitude and frequency 445 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:53,360 as those of the human body and the possibility that that might interact with the electric 446 00:27:53,360 --> 00:27:55,680 fields of the human body. 447 00:27:55,680 --> 00:28:01,400 So we came here to see if there was anything to energy vortexes as they're called. 448 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:06,000 And wow, there's actually something here that we can understand in terms of normal science. 449 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:11,520 Well the thing that I like about it the most is that it does have some scientific basis 450 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:12,520 for it. 451 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:17,800 He detected electrical current two to three times what he would have expected. 452 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:19,400 We all found that very interesting. 453 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,120 This of course isn't proof. 454 00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:25,880 This is the reason that people often claim to feel strong energy at Airport Mesa. 455 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,720 But it's interesting and it doesn't rule it out. 456 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,640 Coming up, disturbing accounts of cattle mutilations in dual-sea. 457 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,280 They were using the aircraft to come in and kill the cattle. 458 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,640 Will the team unravel the mystery? 459 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:53,640 Is the government involved? 460 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,840 Rob was called away at the last second and couldn't join us for the next part of the 461 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:57,840 investigation. 462 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:03,400 So Bill and I headed to New Mexico where we met up with Lisa Van Kemp, a forensic technician. 463 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:11,240 We're hoping her background might help us analyze evidence at our second hotspot, dual-sea. 464 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:17,040 When we say dual-sea, paranormal hotspot, we're really talking about three things that 465 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:23,120 are tend to thread together stories of moving lights, unidentified flying objects, stories 466 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:29,400 about a base under Archeleta Mesa that is either military or alien or both, and then 467 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:34,920 finally the cattle mutilation. 468 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:39,080 When we got to dual-sea, we met with Bobby V. Hill who works at the local Best Western 469 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:43,720 and Gabe Valdez, a former New Mexico state police officer who investigated cattle mutilations 470 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:44,720 in the area. 471 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,920 We're from Sci-Fi Investigates. 472 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:51,360 Do you know anyone that talked to you about the legends that we've been hearing? 473 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,520 About the things that go on here? 474 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,640 Everybody seems to have seen something that you don't know how to explain. 475 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,080 Lots of people in this area have seen unexplained lights. 476 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:06,040 Some of them people say that Archeleta's hollow and filled with different types of aliens. 477 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:07,640 Is that the big Mesa that's up there? 478 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:08,640 That's Archeleta Mesa. 479 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:09,640 That's correct. 480 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,520 It's right behind this building about three miles. 481 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,760 You think that there are a large number of residents who believe that there is an alien 482 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,280 slash human base? 483 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:19,280 I think they do. 484 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,000 I mean, they think they think there's something odd in the area. 485 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,480 Well, anytime you start saying there's lights, then they're like, well, you know, there's 486 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,000 a base or a toilet. 487 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:32,760 I know from my research that during the Cold War, the government built several hidden facilities 488 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:37,880 either underground or buried deep within a mountain like Norat in Colorado. 489 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,640 It's entirely possible that it built a secret one here in dual-sea. 490 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,240 What's your sense of what most dual-sea residents believe about this? 491 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,200 I think most of them would like to believe. 492 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:52,920 Probably military, but lots of times when people come in with these stories, they probably 493 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,400 think it's something else. 494 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,440 Like an alien kind of situation. 495 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:57,440 Could be. 496 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:02,400 When you cannot explain something that you see, it does flip through your mind. 497 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:07,760 She also clearly acknowledged that there are people here who very definitely believe that 498 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:14,520 they have seen something that cannot be explained and that they don't want to talk about it. 499 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:20,680 We've had lots of unexplained situations and the attitude around here is to keep it more 500 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:25,160 hush-hush and to not advertise it. 501 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:31,800 This is a town that is living up to its reputation in the sense that there is some strange stuff 502 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:32,800 going on here. 503 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:39,760 And what makes it even stranger is that there's no official base anywhere nearby here. 504 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:44,240 But even more bizarre are the cattle mutilations, which we discussed with the New Mexico State 505 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:49,840 Police Officer, who investigated nearly 200 of the crimes. 506 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:56,560 I know in your case, got involved in looking into some of the very strange mutilation cases. 507 00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:00,280 They were using the aircraft to come in and kill the cattle. 508 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:01,600 Aircraft coming in to kill the cattle? 509 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:02,600 Yes. 510 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:03,600 Sophisticated aircraft? 511 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,480 Do you have an idea of who was operating the aircraft? 512 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,280 I do, but I cannot disclose it. 513 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,040 They were the aircraft? 514 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,640 By that you mean terrestrial aircraft? 515 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:15,040 Aircraft. 516 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:20,000 You really feel that it's due to an aircraft? 517 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,000 I know it. 518 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,000 From all of your cases? 519 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:23,000 Yes. 520 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,500 It took almost 27 years. 521 00:32:24,500 --> 00:32:29,040 He said it took him 27 years to find what he's looking for. 522 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:37,560 One thing that always struck me about the mutilation phenomenon is that I'm not aware of any apprehensions 523 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:38,560 being made. 524 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:39,560 That's true. 525 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:44,920 The government involved, they won't make a comment. 526 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,080 There's something beneath him. 527 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,600 There's something that I can see when I look into his eyes. 528 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,840 There's more to what he's telling me and I'm getting that from him. 529 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:58,640 He knows things and he's not sure when it will be appropriate for him to discuss some 530 00:32:58,640 --> 00:32:59,640 of those things. 531 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,440 It's just very sensitive. 532 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,560 After talking with Bobby V. Hill and Gabe Valdez, it sure sounded like people had seen 533 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:10,240 some strange and unexplained things here. 534 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:14,360 But we wanted to see some hard evidence, so we decided to go to the source of many of 535 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:19,800 the cattle mutilations, the Gomez Ranch, to find out exactly what happened. 536 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:31,720 I met Manuel and Edbundo Gomez, two father and son, from a long-lived ranching family 537 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,800 in northern New Mexico. 538 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:41,440 We have had some experiences with your cattle being victimized and being killed. 539 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:46,480 We had about 50 animals that we lost. 540 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,880 We're still trying to find out what happened. 541 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,960 Why were they doing all of that to us? 542 00:33:52,960 --> 00:34:00,920 Talking to Manuel Gomez and his son Edbundo, talking directly to them is a much more convincing 543 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:06,240 experience than talking to someone who has talked to people like that. 544 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:07,240 What exactly happened? 545 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,640 Could you give me in the most detail possible? 546 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:16,360 The first animal, they had cored out, I guess, the rectum and the uterus and removed the 547 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:17,360 udder. 548 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,080 So we decided to come back into town and call the authorities. 549 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:24,880 The mutilations themselves, whoever's doing it for whatever reason, you've got to remember, 550 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:25,880 it's a crime. 551 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:31,560 Gabe Valdez, the state police officer who investigated many of the deaths, told us there were usually 552 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:37,000 no footprints or tracks around the carcasses and that he found aviation fuel at the scene 553 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,000 of some of the crimes. 554 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,000 You found some oil in the desert? 555 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,000 Is it oily residue? 556 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:41,000 Yes. 557 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,000 Did anyone take a sample of that? 558 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,000 Yes. 559 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,000 Was high octane used on an aircraft? 560 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,360 High octane that's used on aircraft. 561 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:55,280 What we all, I think, came to the conclusion was that they were identifying these animals, 562 00:34:55,280 --> 00:35:00,040 taking them to wherever they were mutilating them, bring them back and drop them onto a 563 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,200 pasture. 564 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,800 So there was no tracks from that animal leading to where the animal was at. 565 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:10,040 We just found them there. 566 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:14,240 The Gomez has invited us inside to see pictures from the mutilations. 567 00:35:14,240 --> 00:35:15,240 They were actual photographs. 568 00:35:15,240 --> 00:35:16,720 I had no doubt about that. 569 00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:21,200 In here is just a collection of cattle that were mutilated. 570 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,320 Is this a cut right here? 571 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,840 Yes, that's where they court out her rectum. 572 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,920 As you go through here, you'll notice they all look pretty much the same. 573 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,400 It does look surgical to me. 574 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:39,960 I have seen carcasses in the wild plenty of times and after they've been chewed on and 575 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,680 they do not look like the pictures that they showed us. 576 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,320 In this case, the cuts looked quite clean. 577 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,880 They did not look ragged. 578 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,520 We looked at dozens of pictures which were all very disturbing. 579 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,960 Then the Gomez has showed us some artifacts they had collected. 580 00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,400 We found this at a mutilation site. 581 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:00,880 Good grief. 582 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:01,880 What? 583 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:03,720 What are we looking at here? 584 00:36:03,720 --> 00:36:05,280 This is getting more unique, Richard. 585 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,400 I don't know how much more unique I can... 586 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,320 We're getting deeper and deeper here. 587 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:19,680 Mr. Gomez showed us a gas mask that had been found only 75 feet from a mutilation site. 588 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,880 Very weird. 589 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,080 The Gomez has told us that when they tried to investigate what was happening to their 590 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,240 cattle, they found themselves under surveillance. 591 00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:29,880 Your houses were bugged. 592 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:35,640 Yes, we found electronic listening devices in our homes. 593 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,240 We were extremely violated. 594 00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:40,520 There were death threats. 595 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:46,840 That if we didn't stop this investigation, that harm would come to our family. 596 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:48,920 I have it if you want to take a look at the real thing. 597 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:49,920 We have it. 598 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:50,920 Sure. 599 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:51,960 Interesting. 600 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:52,960 That's very interesting. 601 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:53,960 I would like to see it. 602 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,120 Actually, I have two that were found. 603 00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:03,440 This one here had this covering and that was removed. 604 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,120 This is another one that we found. 605 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:14,840 The mutilation phenomenon, at least in the case of the Gomez family, comes down to intervention 606 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:21,920 by someone's technology, presumably a human covert group. 607 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:28,720 When I asked Gabriel Valdez whether he thought this was an extraterrestrial event, he said 608 00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:32,640 categorically no. 609 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:37,920 When the Gomez family was asked the same question, they said no, not extraterrestrial. 610 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:44,440 Your sense, we're reading it right here, is that this is a fully human secret operation. 611 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:45,440 Is that correct? 612 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,480 Personally, I feel that is. 613 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,480 We feel that way. 614 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:54,560 Because I don't think that if it was aliens, they wouldn't bug our homes. 615 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,560 But here's something that was really interesting. 616 00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:01,800 I asked Edmund Gomez whether he thought there was a secret base here in Dulce. 617 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:06,280 He just as a matter of fact, said, oh yes, I believe that there is a base right at Mount 618 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:07,280 Archuleta. 619 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:13,280 Is your theory then that there was a base constructed in Mount Archuleta? 620 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:15,120 Is that what you think? 621 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:16,760 Do you think it's operational today? 622 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:17,840 I believe it is. 623 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:25,840 I believe it's part of an underground tunnel system that was built during the Cold War. 624 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:39,280 Next, Rich and Bill go on an unprecedented search for a secret alien base. 625 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,280 What will they uncover? 626 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:50,280 Rich and I went up in a Cessna 172. 627 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:04,400 Seeing if we could find any evidence of the claimed base. 628 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:09,240 Some people think the base is inside Archuleta Mesa, while others say it is inside nearby 629 00:39:09,240 --> 00:39:10,240 Mount Archuleta. 630 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:15,000 So Bill and I decided to fly over both and see if we could find the base either visually 631 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:16,000 or with an infrared camera. 632 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,000 So you'll have the binoculars. 633 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,000 I'm going to use that infrared. 634 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:23,760 We brought along this ex-thermal imaging camera. 635 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:30,480 The idea being that if there were unusual activity below the surface of this region, 636 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:37,480 that thermal imager would detect the heat signature coming up from there. 637 00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:47,240 So here we go to find the secret government base. 638 00:39:47,240 --> 00:39:50,240 This is too wild. 639 00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:58,240 Now, just kidding you, this camera, this search is coming across as a heavier federal signal. 640 00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:02,240 Water and trees are cooler. 641 00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:07,240 So now we're approaching Archuleta Mesa. 642 00:40:07,240 --> 00:40:14,240 There are all kinds of scattered hotter signals, something really hot. 643 00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:23,240 There are really quite a lot of thermal signals coming up from throughout the entire region 644 00:40:23,240 --> 00:40:25,240 that we can visit. 645 00:40:25,240 --> 00:40:28,240 Okay, this is Archuleta Mountain here. 646 00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:29,240 Bottom red. 647 00:40:29,240 --> 00:40:36,240 I got to tell you something, the peak of this mountain is pretty damn hot. 648 00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:47,240 Although the thermal imager did show a lot of red or heat at both Archuleta Mesa and 649 00:40:47,240 --> 00:40:53,240 Mount Archuleta, there was no way to tell if it was just a hot soil or something underneath 650 00:40:53,240 --> 00:40:55,240 it so the results are inconclusive. 651 00:40:55,240 --> 00:41:00,240 We've been here in Dulce for a couple of days now. 652 00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:01,240 Nice to meet you. 653 00:41:01,240 --> 00:41:06,240 I think that there is something significant that has been going on in Dulce. 654 00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:10,240 What I found most compelling were the photographs of the mutilated animals. 655 00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:13,240 No tracks around the carcasses, no signs of predators. 656 00:41:13,240 --> 00:41:15,240 They must have been dropped from the air. 657 00:41:15,240 --> 00:41:18,240 But who would do such gruesome acts and why? 658 00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:21,240 Could it be connected to a secret military base? 659 00:41:21,240 --> 00:41:26,240 Gabriel Valdez does not think that this was done by extraterrestrials. 660 00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:31,240 But if the mutilations are some type of government operation, wouldn't it be easier to just buy 661 00:41:31,240 --> 00:41:33,240 the cattle on the open market? 662 00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:39,240 And why not just keep the carcasses after they were mutilated instead of returning them to the ranch? 663 00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:45,240 Occam's razor states that the correct explanation of a phenomenon is the least complicated. 664 00:41:45,240 --> 00:41:50,240 And if I apply that to the mutilations, the UFO connection makes some sense. 665 00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:56,240 Cattle mutilations are going on, possible UFO sightings, possible military sightings, 666 00:41:56,240 --> 00:42:00,240 possible alien slash human base activity. 667 00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:05,240 There's something here, whatever it is, and there's some kind of cover up. 668 00:42:05,240 --> 00:42:11,240 I'm definitely closer to what's going on around here in terms of cattle mutilations. 669 00:42:11,240 --> 00:42:15,240 But we didn't see anything that represents evidence of an underground facility. 670 00:42:17,240 --> 00:42:19,240 And what about strange events in Sedona? 671 00:42:19,240 --> 00:42:25,240 I've been researching UFO sightings for over ten years and Tom Dongo's pictures are very compelling evidence. 672 00:42:25,240 --> 00:42:32,240 Plus, we made a real scientific discovery of an actual electrical anomaly at one of the vortexes. 673 00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:37,240 Could this phenomenon help create the vortexes or interdimensional portals? 674 00:42:37,240 --> 00:42:40,240 Could it explain UFO sightings? 675 00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:44,240 All I know is that there is something very strange going on out here in the desert. 676 00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:48,240 Something that one day, if we're lucky, we may understand.